Is lifting always domination?

[pyro]

I don't thinks its domination.I can be wron. However, I think its more about love and caring

[Ch4tty Maria]

Interesting thread.

I come from bdsm backround, where I am a sub first and foremost.
Here in the world of L and C I am the lifter and i still feel submissive,
as I conceive the " Lift and Carry me" as a task, from a master to a sub.



---> Interesting thread indeed.
In another thread of this forum, I have imagined a sort of mixing between bdsm and L & C.
Espescially, bdsm is close to PBR because it is not a posture, it is rather a way of life.

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[TheWolfe]

Originally Posted by Ch4tty Maria

Interesting thread.

I come from bdsm backround, where I am a sub first and foremost. Here in the world of L and C I am the lifter and i still feel submissive, as I conceive the " Lift and Carry me" as a task, from a master to a sub.

Interesting. When I started this thread I was thinking of a discussion I had years ago in which someone insisted that to lift someone was to dominate them because when you lift someone you're possessing them and in control of them. I suggested the exact scenario you did to counter that but they didn't go for it.

[Hidddman]

For the most part, lifting someone is commonly seen as a very explicit demonstration of strength and dominance because it locks the liftee into a very vulnerable and defenceless position, which is very common in professional wrestling. When lifting is shown to be a demonstration of submission, it's usually because it is an order for the lifter to dedicate most of their energy into the liftee, as if the liftee is something that is meant to be protected and preserved under the lifter's oath.

Certain lifting positions also determine the power dynamic between the two parties due to the common perception in media. Pony-rides and piggybacks are often the most sub-like lifting positions, with cradles and OTSes being more dependent on circumstances, and overheads and under-arm carries being seen as the most explicitly dominant.

The same lifting position (the over-the-shoulder carry) can be used as either as mentioned before, it mostly depends on the context and facial expressions.

Here's one where the lifter is seen as more submissive, or at the very least, beleaguered. (From the Red Sonja comics)


And here's one where the lifter is explicitly seen as the dominant one. (From one of the cards in Fire Emblem trading card game.)

[jonsky]

I think both aspects is possible - when the lifter is dominant and the liftee is dominant.
But in l&c goes for soft and harmless domination in most cases.
Maybe is important here that liftee must have trust in lifters abilities if want to enjoy beeing lifted.