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[Daph]

Originally Posted by TheWolfe

The main thing I've noticed is that many F/F fans are more focused on the liftee than on the lifter

F/F fans are divided in two main groups.

1) Ones who like to see a girl lifted and they don't really care who is the lifter so they also like to see images with a male lifter.

2) Others like the athletic part of the activity. They usually also like to watch a male liftee being lifted by a female.

A female/female activity in both cases are usually only preferred because they don't like to see a mans happy face.

There are only a few who belongs to an intersection of this two groups so they don't like neither F/M nor M/F.

[TheWolfe]

Originally Posted by Daph

F/F fans are divided in two main groups.

1) Ones who like to see a girl lifted and they don't really care who is the lifter so they also like to see images with a male lifter.

2) Others like the athletic part of the activity. They usually also like to watch a male liftee being lifted by a female.

A female/female activity in both cases are usually only preferred because they don't like to see a mans happy face.

There are only a few who belongs to an intersection of this two groups so they don't like neither F/M nor M/F.

That's a pretty good and simplified generalization. I've found some other sub-categories, too, based on the apparent reasons for lift (an intimate hold, domination, shaming, etc.) but that's totally true that L&C fans are either liftee fans or lifter fans, virtually two separate fetishes that get lumped into L&C simply because they both involve one human lifting another human.

[Far]

Originally Posted by TheWolfe

That's a pretty good and simplified generalization. I've found some other sub-categories, too, based on the apparent reasons for lift (an intimate hold, domination, shaming, etc.) but that's totally true that L&C fans are either liftee fans or lifter fans, virtually two separate fetishes that get lumped into L&C simply because they both involve one human lifting another human.

Heh, F/M is easier:
Girl lifting guy - good
big guy - good
small guy - not bad too
high heels - good
barefeet - good too
stairs - good
etc.

[TheWolfe]

Originally Posted by Far

Heh, F/M is easier:
Girl lifting guy - good
big guy - good
small guy - not bad too
high heels - good
barefeet - good too
stairs - good
etc.

Ha! I used to be very easy to please but I've been seeking out this stuff for nearly twenty years now and have really gotten jaded by the loads and loads of uninteresting lifts I've seen. The best ones I've found always have some aspect to them that detracts from the lifty goodness they have to offer. Now I'm in search of the elusive perfect lift...but that's not to say my idea of a perfect lift would be everyone else's.

This may apply to F/M as much as it applies to F/F and M/F but I don't know. I initiated a discussion about it among F/F fans online about fifteen years ago and it seemed to be a popular concept among them. I'm a big fan of what I call "the scoop" -- the action that happens when a person lifts another into a cradle. The lifter bends down and scoops their arm behind the liftee's legs, then rises and a magic moment happens as the liftee's weight shifts onto the lifter. I especially like seeing feminine hands with manicured fingernails doing this. Girls with nice nails and hands have a delicate way of moving to protect their nails that is very sexy. When they do this it's a nice contrast to the masculine act of lifting a person. There's also something sexy in F/F about seeing the liftee's legs gathered together and then how they softly fold up when she's lifted. Maybe there's some parallel appeal to seeing that in F/M for F/M fans. This action is absent when the liftee jumps into the arms of the lifter or when the liftee raises one leg up for the lifter to hold, then pulls up the other leg. It's also somewhat obscured when the liftee isn't standing on the same ground level as the lifter. Of course not every scoop from the ground is a good scoop but you can't have a good scoop if there's no scoop. To me the best is when the lifter gently but authoritatively scoops the liftee up using her action to say, "I can't get enough of you so I need to hold all of you!" and the the liftee happily complies, hanging on and curling up in the lifter's arms as if to say, "All of me is all yours!!!" In that way it's a very meaningful two-way embrace.

Don't F/M fans have any interest in seeing the lift express anything? There's a sort of nice anticipation when you see people going to do a lift, with the intentions of the one who initiates the lift and the reaction of the other visible in their body language and facial expressions. There was an adult movie F/F posted recently that looked like it was from the '80s. The lift wasn't so spectacular - you could barely see the lift happen - but the way it happened and the facial expression of the liftee was great. A taller blonde was upset and a shorter blonde tried to console her by talking to her. That part was awful because they were terrible actresses. Then the girls hugged (of course in an adult movie a hug is irresistible foreplay ) and the taller one lifted the shorter one up onto the counter using a hug lift. The lifter just had a take-charge moment feeling the smallness of the liftee's body and did with her exactly what I would have done with her (or perhaps what an F/M fan would like done with him). The whole event happens with a close-up on the liftee's face and she smiles in a way that suggests she's turned on by the lift and maybe slightly embarrassed by that fact. As bad as her acting was leading up to that point it seems like a real, natural reaction to being lifted. Perhaps it wasn't in the script and the lifter surprised her on camera. Even though it's not the best captured lift in the history of L&C in terms of the camera work, there's something very nice and sweet about it in the body language and facial expression. To me that's worth more than a difficult physical stunt. It's an intimate moment shared between two people. There doesn't have to be any developed plot with skilled acting but ideally the lifter and liftee should seem to take some sort of pleasure from the lift rather than just awkwardly doing whatever they can to accomplish a stunt and obstacles that make the stunt more difficult.

[Far]

I hope that I understand what you mean at least on 70%
I'll try to shoot something like this on next shoot, anyway short FF clip wouldn,t bring me profit, but it sounds intresting to try.

[TheWolfe]

Originally Posted by Far

I hope that I understand what you mean at least on 70%
I'll try to shoot something like this on next shoot, anyway short FF clip wouldn,t bring me profit, but it sounds intresting to try.

No, you don't have to shoot it. I was just discussing.

But if you do, I'll have to buy it for sure!

[Far]

Originally Posted by TheWolfe

No, you don't have to shoot it. I was just discussing.

But if you do, I'll have to buy it for sure!

Why not? It always intresting to shoot something new